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 Post subject: UCF and the P6 narrative
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Let's assume the Golden Knights go undefeated. Most likely they won't make the playoffs. How does that effect the "Power Six" narrative the ADs and Commisioner are promoting? Doubtlessly some will cry foul, but will they pack it in or will they ignore the snub? Will it affect recruiting, solidifying the P5-G5 divide? And any effects will be felt across the conference, not just in Orlando; coaches looking for a title will be quick to leave; ADs will consider other conference alignments.

On the flip side, what if UCF is put into the playoff? Will an undefeated AAC team be presumed to have a title claim next year? Will the "Power Six" moniker gain acceptance? How much does UCF's bowl performance matter?

Is playoff entry really a 2-year journey for the top American team (Houston last year, USF this year, UCF next year)?

Finally, what would it take for UCF to make the playoff this year? Will they even be placed over 2-loss teams?

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 Post subject: Re: UCF and the P6 narrative
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OR could they lose to SMU and it be a moot point?

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 Post subject: Re: UCF and the P6 narrative
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The whole conversation is a moot point. G5 are excluded from the playoff. UCF would never be allowed in the playoff the powers to be make sure of that.


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If they're going to lose to anyone it'll be USF, though even that is unlikely. It's too bad their Georgia Tech game got cancelled, that would have been a decent P5 measuring stick.

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The whole conversation is a moot point. G5 are excluded from the playoff. UCF would never be allowed in the playoff the powers to be make sure of that.

Yep. It's mathematically possible the same way it's mathematically possible for Michigan to win the Big Ten, but they'd need so many teams to finish with 3+ losses that there's no way it would happen. So many hypothetical 2-loss teams would still finish ahead of them, including but not limited to Alabama, Georgia, Notre Dame, Ohio St, Penn St, Clemson, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma St, Iowa St, Auburn, Mississippi St, LSU, Michigan, Michigan St, and USC. So, ya know, if 13 out of those 16 finish with 3+ losses, sure, they're in.

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 Post subject: Re: UCF and the P6 narrative
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Ya, top 3 G5 division winners make the Crayton FLEX Playoff, UCF-Memphis can be a veritable Round of 16 game.

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I would love to see a 16 team playoff. I am not a huge basketball fan but I do of course follow UCF, but March madness is great. Nobody can say we weren't given a fair shot.

I never could understand how the fcs formly division II always had a great playoff but FBS football refuses to go to that system.

I personally think we go undefeated until the AAC CCG but if we face Memphis again then I would be worried. We got lucky we caught Memphis on a really off day and beating the same team twice is always tough. Still have to beat SMU this week. Have to stop Sutton and that pass attack of theirs. I would take the over in this one without even knowing what the over is lol. Our defense kind of slept walked thru our last 2 games.


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I never could understand how the fcs formly division II always had a great playoff but FBS football refuses to go to that system.

*formerly Division I-AA. Also it's because of money from bowl sponsorships.

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 Post subject: Re: UCF and the P6 narrative
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Yeah that's what I meant 1-AA. Think age is setting in. You did make my point though that money was more important then integrity at the fbs level. I still think a larger playoff format could bring in more money than the historic bowl setup if done correctly, but it would be harder for the fans to attend which is a negative. If you did a format where the first round was played at one of the universities that would help the attendance issue, but that leads to a second issue of affordability for the fans. If it was a 16 team format, how many fans could afford to attend all 4 games assuming you make it to the championship game. The tickets alone would be costly not including any travel costs. Even with all that I still would love to see a 16 team playoff.

I could even buy into an 8 team format if it looked like this. All 5 power conference champions are guaranteed a slot and 1 slot for the highest rank G5 program conference champion with 2 at large bids for the 2 highest ranked teams that didn't get in. This would atleast give the G5 conferences a shot and should satisfy them and maybe it would finally force Notre Lame to join a conference.


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I could even buy into an 8 team format if it looked like this. All 5 power conference champions are guaranteed a slot and 1 slot for the highest rank G5 program conference champion with 2 at large bids for the 2 highest ranked teams that didn't get in. This would atleast give the G5 conferences a shot and should satisfy them and maybe it would finally force Notre Lame to join a conference.

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 Post subject: Re: UCF and the P6 narrative
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Ya, top 3 G5 division winners make the Crayton FLEX Playoff, UCF-Memphis can be a veritable Round of 16 game.
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I could even buy into an 8 team format if it looked like this. All 5 power conference champions are guaranteed a slot and 1 slot for the highest rank G5 program conference champion with 2 at large bids for the 2 highest ranked teams that didn't get in.

The FLEX playoff would be a form of that. You have your 5 Major champions (now all determined by CCGs):

Alabama-Georgia
Miami-Clemson
Oklahoma-TCU
Wisconsin-Ohio State
USC-Washington

And a mix of your top 3 mid-major division champs and top 3 at large teams, ensuring 1 all-mid-major game, from the same conference if possible.

Notre Dame-Toledo
Penn State-Auburn
UCF-Memphis

Winners are then seeded 1-8 with higher seeds hosting lower at home the next week. So, UCF may have an easier play-in game than, say, Alabama, but the draw will be commensurately fair to them.

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 Post subject: Re: UCF and the P6 narrative
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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/u ... story.html

The AAC is focusing on a permanent spot in the NY6 rather than better NC position.

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 Post subject: Re: UCF and the P6 narrative
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To the OP:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/u ... story.html

The AAC is focusing on a permanent spot in the NY6 rather than better NC position.

That would be nice for the AAC to be guaranteed a spot, but it would be extreamly unfair to the other G4 conferences in the current format as they would have no shot. Obviously that was addressed in the article and a change would have to be made. I just don't see that happening. What helps us G5'ers the most is that atleast 1 p5 conference is left out each year from the playoff. So to satisfy all the P5 conferences the logical conclusion is a bigger playoff field is needed which may directly help the smaller conferences.


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 Post subject: Re: UCF and the P6 narrative
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Washington lost. One team closer.

I still feel that an undefeated UCF should (for whatever "should" is worth) make it before a 2-loss team. I'm hoping they would be.

If USF and Memphis continue to win, the committee will at least have the excuse to do so in this scenario. Plus, what does it harm if they become the sacrificial lamb to Alabama while Notre Dame/Clemson/Miami plays the Big Ten Champ in Pasadena.

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